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Blue Moon
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Post subject: Vanishing Twin Phenonenon (VTP) Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:52 pm |
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Elvis' twin, Jesse, of course, was born dead and so thought you might find this link on VTP interesting:
http://www.rainbowsunlimited.com/VanishingTwins.htm
Here is a portion from it:
Quote: It is now known that multiples interact with one another physically in the womb as early as 8 weeks into gestation. Apparently, relationships can be established very early on, the termination of which may be quite traumatic to the survivors . . . . They often suffer from feelings of guilt. They may be haunted by feelings that they’re “parasites”. I’ve heard from more than a few single twins who for one reason or another felt they’d “eaten” or “killed” their twin. Troubling, recurring dreams of their twin, fear of sleeping alone, fear of sudden loss or abandonment, profound loneliness, eating disorders, “hearing voices”, extreme emotional sensitivity and even schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder can afflict survivors of the VTP.
I want to add that the site put "hearing voices" in quotes, presumably as it can not be proven, but whose to say that there really isn't genuine communication between the deceased twin and the living one? I think there very well could be and it wouldn't surprise me if Elvis had that communication.
Last edited by Blue Moon on Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:07 am, edited 1 time in total.
_________________ Blue Moon It behooves one to sense God as dwelling within each of us, rather than as some distant entity, far above and seemingly beyond our reach.
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Wanda June Hill
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:36 pm |
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Wow, very interesting and fits him pretty well-even to the gastrointestinal problems, nervous thing, immune system thing, higher temp. etc; and talking to himself, feeling like it wasn't him out on stage etc; and feeling guilty that his twin gave his life for him-he wouldn't acknowledge that guilt but I know he felt it by what he said and didn't say. Didn't want to sleep alone, couldn't sleep hardly by himself in a room, had to know people would "check on him" or stay with him. Problems with relationships-including his wife-whom he said felt like a part of him and then when she left it was taken away from him again... that again was added on in a hushed tone of voice-like telling himself. He often did that-and his guys thought he was talking to his "dead brother" but he said he was talking to the "voices" telling him things that he heard. Seeing things around him that no one else saw...except maybe his little Lisa as a young child-but she may have been "humoring daddy" as she was protective of him from an early age. Most people wanted to protect him-shelter him, including us...even Starla though she was just 16 when he died...and she still is protective of him and of his "things" cards, letters etc: whatever she has he sent to her-even the wrapping paper of some things-from the bicentent. year 77...he was really into that. It sure seems to fit him well...but he did talk about his twin with his parents a lot-and they too, may have had the twin loss thing going as well-I'm sure they did. His dad mentioned how the wondered why they had no more kids, worried about him being alone-and then when he got a bit older, they realized they had a very special child, he would be all they ever needed and he certainly was that. wjh
_________________ Wanda June Hill
author of "We Remember, Elvis" & "Elvis - Face to Face"
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Blue Moon
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:04 am |
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I thought many (tho' not all) of the descriptions in the above link/site fit Elvis too. Though the site focuses mainly on the twin whose sibling vanishes/dies in the womb, well in advance of birth, I think the same issues also apply to a twin whose sibling dies at or just prior to birth, as was the case for Elvis.
At least he and his parents knew that a twin had died, so that must have helped in the coping, as it would have given some context to the feelings and experiences, even if there was not a full understanding and even if it did not eliminate them. Seems like Elvis had many of the VTP sufferings all his life. Some people, however, never know they are twinless twins, having the same symptoms, but never knowing why, making the coping even more difficult.
_________________ Blue Moon It behooves one to sense God as dwelling within each of us, rather than as some distant entity, far above and seemingly beyond our reach.
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Amanda Viola
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:57 am |
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Laurie,
Thank you so much for this link. It is good that the official medicine starts to establish that relationship between the loss of a twin in any stage of the development of the fetus and the fundamental aspects of the remainder twin's personality.
The basic conflict in our life structures our personality, like a big tree with wide branches which rooths are anchored to this main conflict. It is our "motor" to reach our own masterhood, if we look at it as a process of search, understanding, acceptation and integration. This conscious process is a journey back through LOVE and at the end of it, we find out that we have arrived to the Land of LOVE. Elvis was -again- a good example of it.
_________________ Amanda Viola
"LOVE is what it's all about." (Elvis Aaron Presley)
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Sarena
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:18 pm |
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I had missed that "twin - subject" at the end of last year and just read it now....
And just about two weeks ago I had wondered WHO this soul of Jesse might have been, the one who shared that closeness with his brother Elvis in the womb only and then left......I wondered whether they maybe had met again later in life, but have no answer , that would be interesting..... 
_________________ Christine-Sarena
"ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF YOU ONLY BELIEVE"
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:38 pm |
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How very interesting Maia, and the Medical Field has become so ADVANCED to the Problems. To be able to find out that you did have a Twin, and to have some of the Health Problems as Elvis did. I wonder does all people that has lost a Twin Sibbling go through this to? FairyTale!
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Wanda June Hill
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:53 pm |
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My husband's nieces are twins-they were not identical though they looked quite a bit alike for years. One of them had birthmarks the other did not and from what I've heard (haven't seen or talked to them in years as we have all grown apart and gone different ways and I have to say, not very "clinging" kind of family anyway),
these girls have had various "twin" problems with their health etc:. They always have close connections and know what the other feels when apart-so I would think most twins have that even when they don't know each other by being raised seperated. I can't imagine what it would feel like for one to lose the other at birth when nine months of their beginings of life they were together.
I wanted to watch a show on tv about twins and babies in general in the womb-but for some reason we couldn't get it in this area! I don't know if it was shown elsewhere either-but they advertised it and then shut it off! It looked to be fascinating information for sure. They showed two babies together, playing with each other's hands and kicking together etc:...and they looked at each other as they did it with open eyes! And made faces! It was pretty amazing footage and real-not faked images. I thought of Elvis and his brother because it was two little boys together. Elvis said when I asked him, he didn't know if he and his twin were in the same "sac" together-he had not even considered that apparently when I asked him as he seemed kind of confused about what I meant. Then he said that his Aunt told him his brother was "all blue and dried up" looking and never took a breath and that he, Elvis came out about 25 minutes to half an hour or so later as his mom was resting for a few minutes then labor began again and he came out-he said that he didn't know if there were two "sacs" of water or not-he didn't recall any one mentioning anything like that and asked some questions about childbirth because he thought since I had a baby, I would know. I was surprised, but I told him whatever he asked if I knew and he asked kind of shyly some things, like how much pain etc: and how long and if I watched, etc: and he wasn't surprised when I said I could have but asked them to turn the mirros away and that I didn't want to know, see or feel any of it! He said, "well if it was something I had to do, I'd of done the same thing-but I might of had 'em film it for later when it was all over!" I remember laughing about that remark-he didn't want to be in there when Priscilla had their baby-but then they didn't have father's in there to assist. But Elvis said he might pass out or something and he didn't think he could stand it if she was hurting or something went wrong and he saw it happening. He said it was the longest day of his life anyway when he had to wait to find out everything was okay-he was scared silly something would go wrong and he'd lose her or the baby would have something go wrong. He was praying he said, and that if he had been alone in there waiting, he would have been "climbing the walls like a fly or something". I always liked his "discriptions" of himself or his feelings of something. I know he was so releived when they determined she was not going to have twins-he really didn't want to put her through anything like his mom had gone through over losing one of her baby boys. In fact he said something like, "We never got over it, none of us, momma, daddy 'n me." I can't remember what else he said with that, but I know I felt his words when he said "momma, daddy 'n me", it was the depth of feeling that came across with the words. I realized he carried a heavy load over losing his brother though he didn't often talk about it in that way. wjh
_________________ Wanda June Hill
author of "We Remember, Elvis" & "Elvis - Face to Face"
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Blue Moon
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:05 pm |
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Wanda June Hill wrote: In fact he said something like, "We never got over it, none of us, momma, daddy 'n me." I can't remember what else he said with that, but I know I felt his words when he said "momma, daddy 'n me", it was the depth of feeling that came across with the words. I realized he carried a heavy load over losing his brother though he didn't often talk about it in that way. wjh
What you say here Wanda really impresses upon my heart. Jesse continued to be an important factor in Elvis' and his parents' lives, even though he died at birth. Didn't Elvis have some kind of communication with him when he was a child?
_________________ Blue Moon It behooves one to sense God as dwelling within each of us, rather than as some distant entity, far above and seemingly beyond our reach.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:52 pm |
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People (including some of his relatives) said he did talk to Jesse when he was growing up-Maybe because he and his mom talked about him quite a bit, maybe he was "hearing" voices in his head or something else, and thought then it was his brother or his brother was his "imaginary friend" as little kids often have, especially lonely ones...sometimes they are lonely even among brothers and sisters. And later he said he was "talking to Jesus" when he'd go off by himself and they missed him and he'd come back-sometimes crying...when he'd tell them where he had been-usually down to the little stream/pond not far from where his relatives lived. It could be they were visiting or living there as he said they moved all the time, sometimes had to live with relatives and when he was littler (he didn't say how little that was) he hated it, never knew where home would be and never felt at home anyplace much, and that was the one thing he wanted more than anything else, some place for them to live that was theirs and no one could come take it away or make them move or worry about the rent money etc:. When he talked about stuff like that he spoke so softly, bitterness or something close tinged those words as he remembered the hard times, and his determination from very young, to provide a home for them, to have enough money which he said then it was just enough to pay the bills, buy some food and maybe go to a movie-and have a few dollars left-that was rich to him back then. But as he got older he realized he had to do it, it wasn't going to just come to him. He had to get out there and work and be something, do something. He wasn't sure what, but he said he "felt it" and it was something "inside me that had to get it on, so I went out there and tried to find it...an' it kinda snuck up behind an' found me!" He always laughed when he spoke of "falling into it" or it "come on so fast my head was spinning" and "just bein' in the right place when somethin' like what I did was needing to be done an' I did it." His modesty was as overwhelming as his ego could be at times! If anyone ever had the right to have an ego-it had to be him! Looks, charm, talent and the gall to say, "It wasn't anything special about me, I just happened to stumble on to it and let it happen-man, anybody could of come in and did what I did!" Yeah-right. wjh
_________________ Wanda June Hill
author of "We Remember, Elvis" & "Elvis - Face to Face"
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:05 am |
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It's very touching to read how Elvis felt about these things through you, Wanda. THANK YOU!
Quote: His modesty was as overwhelming as his ego could be at times! If anyone ever had the right to have an ego-it had to be him! Looks, charm, talent and the gall to say, "It wasn't anything special about me, I just happened to stumble on to it and let it happen-man, anybody could of come in and did what I did!" Yeah-right. wjh
I believe that Elvis is such a fine reference to us, even in what you say above. We all need an ego to vehicle us, the stronger, the best, because we can't go far with a feeble one. Yet, we have to come to a point where it doesn't dominates us anymore, but it's there to help us, being at our service. I believe Elvis accomplished it in a splendid way.
_________________ Amanda Viola
"LOVE is what it's all about." (Elvis Aaron Presley)
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MaryInTheMorning
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:48 am |
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Definitely very interesting, insightful and yes most fascinating to read dear Sue.  Thank you for sharing it with us.  My thanks to you also Laurie for the fascinating link you provided and also to you Wanda for the very touching things you shared with us about Elvis's thoughts on his brother Jesse.  Such a precious and tender heart he had.
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